"They need to demonize us." The Russians organize shelling of Donetsk to create hatred of Ukrainians - interviews with Denis Kazan

The news has emerged today that we were allegedly firing a hospital, it is a maternity hospital # 17 of Kuibyshevsky district of Donetsk. There are wounded. How do you think it is moving, how does Russian propaganda use these shellings? - I think that it is as obvious as it uses them: to demonize Ukraine, to blame us for themselves when they do when information about another military crime of the Russian army appears, then they try to interrupt this topic with other informational reasons.

Therefore, it is clear that they will continue to work so. In fact, it should be understood that if you look at the war in general, we understand that it is also possible from the fire of Ukrainian artillery to suffer from the civilian population, which is on the other side of the front line. On the other hand, what is happening now is only because Russia has decided to resolve full -scale fighting without war on February 24.

It unilaterally destroyed all the agreements that we signed, the Minsk agreements were destroyed, all arrangements, full -scale aggression, invasion began. Therefore, the responsibility for everything that has happened since February 24 is completely lying on the leadership of the Russian Federation.

We all understand that even if the Ukrainian projectile accidentally flies to Donetsk, in the city center, it happens only because this exacerbation happened and the so -called "special operation" began. Before that, there were absolutely no such shellings, there was a relatively quiet life with small, weak local fighting on the front line.

-As you think, does Ukraine officially do to explain the event: no, we will never fire maternity houses, no, we make no sense to fire what was there yesterday, Donbas Plas, a hotel. Because we get what we saw in the Amnesty International report, she takes and writes, brings it into the title, as if we also place our military bases in the territory of civilian buildings and thus jeopardize the civilian population.

- I think what they wrote is not related to shelling at all, because you have seen, they do not blame the Ukrainian side of shelling, but of what we just have. We just have an army that is located in Ukraine and the fault that it is not so located. And Russia shoots on the army, the one that has entered our territory without declaring war, that is, a foreign occupation army, an aggressor that has come, it shoots and our army allegedly substitutes the civilian population.

Well, this is absurd! If it were not for the invaders, the occupation troops who started the war and started shooting, then of course, no one would die or suffer. There is only one guilty side that is guilty of what is happening - it is Russia, it is clear. So here I do not know what we can do. Of course, our task is to explain as much as possible to bring to the world community.

But, let's say, some cases of corruption, some of such such cases, when the Russian side will simply be banal to corrupt some speakers, officials, organizations, we still cannot insure. To put it bluntly, Gerhard Schreoder, who went to work on the Kremlin many years ago, will still stand in the pro -Kremlin positions, no matter how many shelling and how many people they will kill.

You see that he continues to stand and protect Putin, despite the fact that there were shelling of supermarkets with many dead, that there were shelling of maternity hospitals. For such people, there are no facts at all, they do not care how many Ukrainian authorities will produce different reports. They are at work and they will do what you paid for. -Let's then look at what happened yesterday with this Donbas Plas.

There was a lot of videos, I saw nine pieces, it seems, to be associated with the fact that Russian "propagandon" lived in Donbas-Palasi, also this Olga Kachur, a terrorist, which was buried there or said goodbye to her . In short, did you realize that yesterday happened near Donbas-Palace in Donetsk? - It is difficult for me to tell you something specific, but I was not present there.

There was an shelling that can be interpreted as a provocation on the Russian side and as some shelling from the Ukrainian. I just do not understand where they could aim, because we see that the Ukrainian army, when I got a modern weapon, beats accurately. In this case, it is simply unclear, the shells flew, the impression that it is simply accidental. Therefore, it is unclear what the goal was.

If there was a goal of blowing up the theater where there were burials and these militants were, then I think that this movie theater would be kissed for sure. Therefore, what happened did not make any sense. I can also regard it simply as a provocation that is needed to distract from the mass execution of our captives in Olenivka, as well as from other war crimes committed by the Russian army.

- What about Olga Kachura, what they hid, what do you know about her? I just saw that Putin was awarded her Order, apparently posthumously. - Yes, it is posthumous, it, I think, within a certain sacralization, I do not think he knew about its existence. It is such a semi -marginal person from Gorlovka, who since 2014 has been fighting on the side of illegal formations of DNR. There are many different interviews, video, you can just look.

If you look at a few minutes, you will realize that it is a person, how she looks like she talks, it is a typical representative of this marginesis, which then became the skeleton of the DNR organization at some point. Normal people did not go there, but such characters went. This Olga Kachura commanded a division of reactive artillery, RSZO, practically engaged in shelling of hail, beat on civilian objects.

These destroyed houses, especially Volnovakha, Mariupol, and in other cities, where they erased entire villages from the face of the land, it is its work in particular. She was convicted in Ukraine in Ukraine, it was before the start of a full -scale war, received 12 years, her life path ended as he had to end.

- If you have already mentioned, you talked about Margines, whether Ukrainians can be considered by those who have been eight years in the territory of these so -called "DNR" and "LNR", in the territories of the temporarily occupied Donbass. Is it possible to assume that no, that all, these people are no longer Ukrainians, forget about it. There is no chance that they can be integrated into the Ukrainian state. What is your opinion on this? - I think it is possible.

These are people who are actually hostages, including different people. There are people who are waiting for when the horror that continues, there will be some civilization, some life that is possible there only with the arrival, return of Ukraine. There will be a large number of people who will not accept, hostile to Ukraine who do not want to return Ukraine. But there are others. We cannot give them away, we cannot say that they do not exist.

- And if we talk about the so -called "Zhduns" who are in the territory controlled by Ukraine, some strange people who believe that, despite the fact that Russia came to destroy Ukrainians and see how cities are destroyed, they saw how eight years lived territories Ordlo that happened there. They are still waiting for Putin. How do you explain it? - I think there may be a small percentage of such people, from what we see, there are very little left after what happened.

These are fanatics, some margins, there are such people, we will do nothing with it. They exist and will exist, may eventually go away from the past. - Will they die? - They will go away in the past, yes, naturally.

- And you have encountered that our colleagues from NV, for example, have seen that in the territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions for some reason, the locals are convinced that if journalists come somewhere, that will be fired there and that it is the journalists who bring hostile shelling? Do you understand why, where did this myth come from? - I think there are such people, probably.

By the way, I think they have this confidence because they simply saw Russian journalists working, because this story came from Russian journalists since 2014, when Russian victories from Russian TV channels were originally appeared, so -called Russian TV channels "Warriors", and then shelling began. Whether shelling began, and within minutes they appeared on the spot and removed from different angles, let's just say, these torn bodies. What happened to the Russian media and I can confirm you.

Maybe people, seeing this, just extrapolated this experience for all journalists, including Ukrainian ones. - Do you know how these so -called Russian journalists work now or has something changed? Because even yesterday there was a shelling of this Donbas-Plas, where they are allegedly, what are they doing in Ukraine now? How can we describe it? - They are engaged in propaganda, nothing has changed here.